Comments on: More Trees for Felling? http://www.leverpark.co.uk/2009/08/more-trees-for-felling/ Protecting Lever Park and Rivington for the future... Mon, 09 Jan 2012 21:42:22 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Bob Dootson http://www.leverpark.co.uk/2009/08/more-trees-for-felling/comment-page-1/#comment-814 Bob Dootson Fri, 11 Sep 2009 19:32:36 +0000 http://www.leverpark.co.uk/?p=830#comment-814 The tree in question was infected with bleeding canker before the course was put up, but it was numbered ready for the development. They have no excuses, it suited there purpose to ignore bleeding canker on this occasion. The tree in question was infected with bleeding canker before the course was put up, but it was numbered ready for the development.
They have no excuses, it suited there purpose to ignore bleeding canker on this occasion.

]]> By: David http://www.leverpark.co.uk/2009/08/more-trees-for-felling/comment-page-1/#comment-813 David Fri, 11 Sep 2009 19:28:49 +0000 http://www.leverpark.co.uk/?p=830#comment-813 I have heard similar reports about the trees suffering from bleeding canker. If true, UU must do whatever necessary to prevent the spread of the disease. If experts agree that felling is the only way to stop it spreading, I would support UU all the way. But why can't they just tell us? Why ask for everything to be in writing? What kind of jobsworths are we dealing with? The UU staff we bump into on the park are a really friendly bunch of people, committed to the park and its visitors. So why are the middle-managers so small-minded? I have heard similar reports about the trees suffering from bleeding canker. If true, UU must do whatever necessary to prevent the spread of the disease. If experts agree that felling is the only way to stop it spreading, I would support UU all the way.

But why can’t they just tell us? Why ask for everything to be in writing? What kind of jobsworths are we dealing with?

The UU staff we bump into on the park are a really friendly bunch of people, committed to the park and its visitors. So why are the middle-managers so small-minded?

]]> By: sylvesta http://www.leverpark.co.uk/2009/08/more-trees-for-felling/comment-page-1/#comment-811 sylvesta Fri, 11 Sep 2009 10:37:41 +0000 http://www.leverpark.co.uk/?p=830#comment-811 how would i know that? maybe it wasnt effected when they put the course up? maybe theyre fools? i was just answering the original question. the desease spreads so surely its important to keep an eye on which ones have it. convenient? people park their cars under the beeches on that avenue. how would i know that? maybe it wasnt effected when they put the course up? maybe theyre fools?
i was just answering the original question. the desease spreads so surely its important to keep an eye on which ones have it. convenient? people park their cars under the beeches on that avenue.

]]> By: Bob Dootson http://www.leverpark.co.uk/2009/08/more-trees-for-felling/comment-page-1/#comment-810 Bob Dootson Thu, 10 Sep 2009 23:16:13 +0000 http://www.leverpark.co.uk/?p=830#comment-810 That's interesting Sylvesta. Then answer this, why have Go-Ape used a tree that is suffering from bleeding canker. or does this desease only count when it's convenient? That’s interesting Sylvesta.
Then answer this, why have Go-Ape used a tree that is suffering from bleeding canker.
or does this desease only count when it’s convenient?

]]> By: sylvesta http://www.leverpark.co.uk/2009/08/more-trees-for-felling/comment-page-1/#comment-809 sylvesta Thu, 10 Sep 2009 12:21:36 +0000 http://www.leverpark.co.uk/?p=830#comment-809 the beeches are marked because they have bleeding canker at he bases which IS an obvious sign of desease. they need treating or they are doomed. a couple have already died. the beeches are marked because they have bleeding canker at he bases which IS an obvious sign of desease. they need treating or they are doomed. a couple have already died.

]]> By: David http://www.leverpark.co.uk/2009/08/more-trees-for-felling/comment-page-1/#comment-805 David Mon, 07 Sep 2009 20:24:59 +0000 http://www.leverpark.co.uk/?p=830#comment-805 What worries me is the lack of accountability in Rivington and Lever Park. United Utilites and Chorley run the place like it's their own private kingdom. The public groups that are supposed to have oversight are toothless. It's impossible to get hold of agendas or minutes of meetings. While UU hide behind a 'put it in writing' response, Chorley ride roughshod over their own policies to keep the public out of the decision-making loop. What worries me is the lack of accountability in Rivington and Lever Park.
United Utilites and Chorley run the place like it’s their own private kingdom. The public groups that are supposed to have oversight are toothless. It’s impossible to get hold of agendas or minutes of meetings.
While UU hide behind a ‘put it in writing’ response, Chorley ride roughshod over their own policies to keep the public out of the decision-making loop.

]]> By: Phil Johnson http://www.leverpark.co.uk/2009/08/more-trees-for-felling/comment-page-1/#comment-804 Phil Johnson Mon, 07 Sep 2009 20:03:29 +0000 http://www.leverpark.co.uk/?p=830#comment-804 Take nothing away from Mr Padley, he has his staff well trained. Of course they are requesting 'hard copy' communication. Let's assume hypothetically, that you wanted to build up a dosier on someone, or some organisation, with the aim of possible future litigation, ( should anything at all be written that is untrue or libellous) then you would need 'real paper' and a signature. Isn't that right ? Or is the paranoia of this whole charade getting the better of me. Take nothing away from Mr Padley, he has his staff well trained. Of course they are requesting ‘hard copy’ communication. Let’s assume hypothetically, that you wanted to build up a dosier on someone, or some organisation, with the aim of possible future litigation, ( should anything at all be written that is untrue or libellous) then you would need ‘real paper’ and a signature. Isn’t that right ? Or is the paranoia of this whole charade getting the better of me.

]]> By: Alan2701 http://www.leverpark.co.uk/2009/08/more-trees-for-felling/comment-page-1/#comment-801 Alan2701 Sat, 05 Sep 2009 10:48:50 +0000 http://www.leverpark.co.uk/?p=830#comment-801 HARD COPY !! All you have to do is hit the button and the printer bursts into life and prints out a HARD COPY. Oh! sorry, they may not have a printer or find it hard the budget for a supply of paper for the printer !!! HARD COPY !! All you have to do is hit the button and the printer bursts into life and prints out a HARD COPY. Oh! sorry, they may not have a printer or find it hard the budget for a supply of paper for the printer !!!

]]> By: Bob Dootson http://www.leverpark.co.uk/2009/08/more-trees-for-felling/comment-page-1/#comment-800 Bob Dootson Fri, 04 Sep 2009 22:46:52 +0000 http://www.leverpark.co.uk/?p=830#comment-800 HARD COPY! now let me think, where have I heard that phrase before. GOT IT! it was in an email from Martin Padley. Hard copy is fine, but it usually takes forever and ever for something to happen. What's wrong with email in the 21st century, it's easy and quick. What ever reason they have for not using email, it isn't very co-operative. Will they accept a message the tried and trusted way? A bow and arrow, but you must remember to duck. No! forget that, we're in the 21st Century health and safety and all that. HARD COPY! now let me think, where have I heard that phrase before.
GOT IT! it was in an email from Martin Padley.

Hard copy is fine, but it usually takes forever and ever for something to happen.
What’s wrong with email in the 21st century, it’s easy and quick.
What ever reason they have for not using email, it isn’t very co-operative.
Will they accept a message the tried and trusted way?
A bow and arrow, but you must remember to duck.
No! forget that, we’re in the 21st Century health and safety and all that.

]]> By: David http://www.leverpark.co.uk/2009/08/more-trees-for-felling/comment-page-1/#comment-796 David Thu, 03 Sep 2009 19:06:37 +0000 http://www.leverpark.co.uk/?p=830#comment-796 A dissappointing (non)reply from Neville Kidd. Dear David Could I ask you to please put this and any further requests for information on Lever park, in a hard copy letter, addressed to my office as below. We can then keep these on record and respond accordingly. Many thanks for your assistance in this matter. Many thanks Neville Kidd United Utilities ( Water) Environment and Community Central Catchment Manager Rivington Wtw Bolton Rd Horwich Lancs BL6 7RN A dissappointing (non)reply from Neville Kidd.

Dear David
Could I ask you to please put this and any further requests for information on Lever park, in a hard copy letter, addressed to my office as below. We can then keep these on record and respond accordingly. Many thanks for your assistance in this matter.
Many thanks
Neville Kidd
United Utilities ( Water)
Environment and Community
Central Catchment Manager
Rivington Wtw
Bolton Rd
Horwich
Lancs BL6 7RN

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