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		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 09:38:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This thread seem to be generating &#039;more heat than light&#039; now, so I&#039;m closing it to further comments. You are, of course, all welcome to continue the discussion elsewhere on the site.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This thread seem to be generating &#8216;more heat than light&#8217; now, so I&#8217;m closing it to further comments. You are, of course, all welcome to continue the discussion elsewhere on the site.</p>
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		<title>By: Mrs Kathleen Bell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mrs Kathleen Bell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 09:30:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the 3rd line from the  bottom my post, I meant to say the cafe that &quot;Go Ape&quot; will provide.</description>
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		<title>By: Mrs Kathleen Bell</title>
		<link>http://www.leverpark.co.uk/2008/11/not-in-rivvy/comment-page-1/#comment-139</link>
		<dc:creator>Mrs Kathleen Bell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 08:29:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Karen Holroyd

Its is clear you didn&#039;t read my post properly, because nowhere in my post did I mention horse riders or mountain bikers. The whole point of my post was to talk about the habits of the wildlife,  that has been destroyed by &quot;Go Ape&quot; with the blessing of Chorley Council and United Utilities.
 I don&#039;t believe for one minute you are interested in wild life, how can you be? When you appear to condone this monstrosity. As I said before we are uninvited guests as we traspass into the homes of these wild creatures, but most of us respect these creatures right to live a peaceful life because we were taught the country code by our parents and during our years at school.
 If you visited Rivington Pike last Friday and there was no one there so what? What has your visit to the pike got to do with the destruction of trees and the unlawful construction of &quot;Go Ape&quot;? Obviously you only visit Rivington when the weather is nice, because if you went when the weather was bad, you would see plenty people in the area. Also most people visit the area at the weekends because they work or have other commitments during the week.
To return to the unlawful construction of &quot;Go Ape&quot; it is unlawful because the people who should have been consulted about this construction were not.  If compromise is the only way forward, why did Chorley Council not tell &quot;Go Ape&quot; that they could only construct the assault course where the other outward bound courses are constructed in the area? 
No doubt Mr Bob Dootson, who is a leading figure in the fight to get this construction stopped, will have already pointed that fact out to Chorley Council. 
Opening the tea rooms at the top barn will not save the homes of the creatures that dwell in Rivington. Also most people who visit the area visit to enjoy the beauty of Rivington, not to just to sit and have a cup of tea. As I said in my previous post, some people like yourself need your enjoyment ready made, hence your support of &quot;Go Ape&quot; and as far as people like yourself are concerned,  its tough if the habitats of wildlife is destroyed. 
Will you think about these creatures as you and your family are whizzing about the trees whooping with joy? Will you think about people who could be hurt, because of where &quot;Go Ape&quot; is constructed? Will you heck, the only thing that will be on your minds is your next plan of action and that will be to have your precious cup of tea. Not in the lower barn, but at the cafe that &quot;Go Ape&quot; 
Will it enter your head that trade will be taken away from the lower barn and jobs will be lost? Will it heck.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Karen Holroyd</p>
<p>Its is clear you didn&#8217;t read my post properly, because nowhere in my post did I mention horse riders or mountain bikers. The whole point of my post was to talk about the habits of the wildlife,  that has been destroyed by &#8220;Go Ape&#8221; with the blessing of Chorley Council and United Utilities.<br />
 I don&#8217;t believe for one minute you are interested in wild life, how can you be? When you appear to condone this monstrosity. As I said before we are uninvited guests as we traspass into the homes of these wild creatures, but most of us respect these creatures right to live a peaceful life because we were taught the country code by our parents and during our years at school.<br />
 If you visited Rivington Pike last Friday and there was no one there so what? What has your visit to the pike got to do with the destruction of trees and the unlawful construction of &#8220;Go Ape&#8221;? Obviously you only visit Rivington when the weather is nice, because if you went when the weather was bad, you would see plenty people in the area. Also most people visit the area at the weekends because they work or have other commitments during the week.<br />
To return to the unlawful construction of &#8220;Go Ape&#8221; it is unlawful because the people who should have been consulted about this construction were not.  If compromise is the only way forward, why did Chorley Council not tell &#8220;Go Ape&#8221; that they could only construct the assault course where the other outward bound courses are constructed in the area?<br />
No doubt Mr Bob Dootson, who is a leading figure in the fight to get this construction stopped, will have already pointed that fact out to Chorley Council.<br />
Opening the tea rooms at the top barn will not save the homes of the creatures that dwell in Rivington. Also most people who visit the area visit to enjoy the beauty of Rivington, not to just to sit and have a cup of tea. As I said in my previous post, some people like yourself need your enjoyment ready made, hence your support of &#8220;Go Ape&#8221; and as far as people like yourself are concerned,  its tough if the habitats of wildlife is destroyed.<br />
Will you think about these creatures as you and your family are whizzing about the trees whooping with joy? Will you think about people who could be hurt, because of where &#8220;Go Ape&#8221; is constructed? Will you heck, the only thing that will be on your minds is your next plan of action and that will be to have your precious cup of tea. Not in the lower barn, but at the cafe that &#8220;Go Ape&#8221;<br />
Will it enter your head that trade will be taken away from the lower barn and jobs will be lost? Will it heck.</p>
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		<title>By: Kellie Morrissy</title>
		<link>http://www.leverpark.co.uk/2008/11/not-in-rivvy/comment-page-1/#comment-138</link>
		<dc:creator>Kellie Morrissy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 07:56:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Karen - have you read the posts? The problem is not Go Ape, its the siting of it. How much of the wildlife you look forward to seeing do you think you will catch when part of Rivington is covered in tarmac and people in trees where the birds used to nest? You cannot seriously have no objection to the extra traffic and the park becoming pay and display? I personally prefer to ride my horse in Smithills which is much more user friendly than Rivington but that doesn&#039;t mean I want to lose the right for others to ride there. My horse will become much more unpredictable over there when it has to negotiate extra traffic and motor bikes on the road that i will be forced to use, because as a responsible person i don&#039;t want to seriously injure someone when it is frightened by someone flying over its head on the only bridleway that i can use to get to Healey Nab and the Lead Mines. I would rather hurt myself as I choose to ride than kill someone&#039;s toddler that is out for a walk or a baby in a pram.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Karen &#8211; have you read the posts? The problem is not Go Ape, its the siting of it. How much of the wildlife you look forward to seeing do you think you will catch when part of Rivington is covered in tarmac and people in trees where the birds used to nest? You cannot seriously have no objection to the extra traffic and the park becoming pay and display? I personally prefer to ride my horse in Smithills which is much more user friendly than Rivington but that doesn&#8217;t mean I want to lose the right for others to ride there. My horse will become much more unpredictable over there when it has to negotiate extra traffic and motor bikes on the road that i will be forced to use, because as a responsible person i don&#8217;t want to seriously injure someone when it is frightened by someone flying over its head on the only bridleway that i can use to get to Healey Nab and the Lead Mines. I would rather hurt myself as I choose to ride than kill someone&#8217;s toddler that is out for a walk or a baby in a pram.</p>
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		<title>By: Karen Holroyd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karen Holroyd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 23:16:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To the above two posts:

It&#039;s clear you have not read previous posts.  I would never try to  stop riders and mountain bikers going up Lever Park as that is their own choice of pleasure.  I am frightened of horses which makes them a bit unpredictable around me.  I have no objections to them being ridden.

I was brought up respecting wildlife and exploring Rivington, Belmont, Anglezarke and spent much of my youth with my Uncle, who was a well respected local historian, learning about the ruins around these places and the people who lived there.  My children have also been brought up in the same vein and my grandchildren love their nature walks.  Only yesterday my daughter and I had a walk to the Hanging Stone at Belmont.  Last Friday we were on the top of Winter Hill (the most peaceful place in Rivvy) and do you know, not one of these so-called Rivvy lovers were anywhere in sight.  Is that because it was too cold and too quiet or there was no pot of tea available, as some on here seem to prefer the noisy Barn car park on a Sunday?  The best time to catch sight of wildlife around the Barn is early dawn, and if you&#039;re lucky you may see weasels playing like I&#039;ve done.  This is where my enjoyment comes from.

There are also 4 trees in Rivington dedicated to my family.

My whole point is that protesting will only antagonise and not stop proceedings.  A friendly approach to Go Ape suggesting alternatives would perhaps be more useful.  For example, maybe someone could negotiate with the Top Barn to open the tea rooms more often and suggest that certain paths are still left for riders and that sort of thing.  Compromise is the only way forward.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To the above two posts:</p>
<p>It&#8217;s clear you have not read previous posts.  I would never try to  stop riders and mountain bikers going up Lever Park as that is their own choice of pleasure.  I am frightened of horses which makes them a bit unpredictable around me.  I have no objections to them being ridden.</p>
<p>I was brought up respecting wildlife and exploring Rivington, Belmont, Anglezarke and spent much of my youth with my Uncle, who was a well respected local historian, learning about the ruins around these places and the people who lived there.  My children have also been brought up in the same vein and my grandchildren love their nature walks.  Only yesterday my daughter and I had a walk to the Hanging Stone at Belmont.  Last Friday we were on the top of Winter Hill (the most peaceful place in Rivvy) and do you know, not one of these so-called Rivvy lovers were anywhere in sight.  Is that because it was too cold and too quiet or there was no pot of tea available, as some on here seem to prefer the noisy Barn car park on a Sunday?  The best time to catch sight of wildlife around the Barn is early dawn, and if you&#8217;re lucky you may see weasels playing like I&#8217;ve done.  This is where my enjoyment comes from.</p>
<p>There are also 4 trees in Rivington dedicated to my family.</p>
<p>My whole point is that protesting will only antagonise and not stop proceedings.  A friendly approach to Go Ape suggesting alternatives would perhaps be more useful.  For example, maybe someone could negotiate with the Top Barn to open the tea rooms more often and suggest that certain paths are still left for riders and that sort of thing.  Compromise is the only way forward.</p>
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		<title>By: Mrs Kathleen Bell</title>
		<link>http://www.leverpark.co.uk/2008/11/not-in-rivvy/comment-page-1/#comment-130</link>
		<dc:creator>Mrs Kathleen Bell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 21:04:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This post is a reply to Karen Holroyd and John Smith. Do you not feel just a teeny weeny bit guilty, that the Go Ape Experience that you are supporting, has with Chorley Council and United Utilities blessing, destroyed the habitats of the wild life who live their 24 hours a day 365 days a year.

 All of us who visit Rivington are uninvited by these wild creatures, but most of us respect their right to live in peace and not  have their homes destroyed because  people like yourself are not capable of making their own enjoyment.

I feel quite sad for you that you were never taught the country way of life, there is nothing nicer than listening to the sound of the crickets, the singing of the birds and at dusk watching the bats as they fly from tree to tree. Yes the trees that these the birds and bats live in, the trees that you would happily see destroyed so you can get your kicks.  
Have you ever visited the Pleasure Beach at Blackpool, they have many made aminities that you can enjoy. You can even enjoy a ready made candy floss or a ready made toffee apple, ready made hotdogs. The list is endless of the ready made food you can eat  as you take part in the ready made rides.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This post is a reply to Karen Holroyd and John Smith. Do you not feel just a teeny weeny bit guilty, that the Go Ape Experience that you are supporting, has with Chorley Council and United Utilities blessing, destroyed the habitats of the wild life who live their 24 hours a day 365 days a year.</p>
<p> All of us who visit Rivington are uninvited by these wild creatures, but most of us respect their right to live in peace and not  have their homes destroyed because  people like yourself are not capable of making their own enjoyment.</p>
<p>I feel quite sad for you that you were never taught the country way of life, there is nothing nicer than listening to the sound of the crickets, the singing of the birds and at dusk watching the bats as they fly from tree to tree. Yes the trees that these the birds and bats live in, the trees that you would happily see destroyed so you can get your kicks.<br />
Have you ever visited the Pleasure Beach at Blackpool, they have many made aminities that you can enjoy. You can even enjoy a ready made candy floss or a ready made toffee apple, ready made hotdogs. The list is endless of the ready made food you can eat  as you take part in the ready made rides.</p>
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		<title>By: Kellie Morrissy</title>
		<link>http://www.leverpark.co.uk/2008/11/not-in-rivvy/comment-page-1/#comment-127</link>
		<dc:creator>Kellie Morrissy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 19:47:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In response to Karens letter, she may not like horses but riding is one of the only ways that less able bodied people can enjoy the countryside. It is also a safe way for lone females to get out and about, as many woman would not dare walk though Rivington or up on the moors on their own. The bridleways in Smithills even have wheelchair ramps so disabled riders can get on their horse, and as 3.5 million people now ride in Britain each week, bridleways will be springing up hopefully in more and more places. Chorley Council were involved in the development of the West Pennine Bridleway Strategy and as such it seems ridiculous that they have allowed &quot;Go Ape&quot; to be placed right by the main bridleway through Rivington, which is meant to keep riders and cyclists off the roads there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In response to Karens letter, she may not like horses but riding is one of the only ways that less able bodied people can enjoy the countryside. It is also a safe way for lone females to get out and about, as many woman would not dare walk though Rivington or up on the moors on their own. The bridleways in Smithills even have wheelchair ramps so disabled riders can get on their horse, and as 3.5 million people now ride in Britain each week, bridleways will be springing up hopefully in more and more places. Chorley Council were involved in the development of the West Pennine Bridleway Strategy and as such it seems ridiculous that they have allowed &#8220;Go Ape&#8221; to be placed right by the main bridleway through Rivington, which is meant to keep riders and cyclists off the roads there.</p>
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		<title>By: Gale Blackburn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gale Blackburn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 15:07:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the issue is less with noise - we all know how noisy it is in Rivvy especially on a weekend - but the fact that 20 mature, broadleaved trees have been cut down, illegally, as opposed to the 3 which were agreed as part of the consent to the planning application. And that the trees involved as part of the development were given a cursory glance by the &#039;ecology consultants&#039; over a period of two days, before these same consultants decided that they would not support wildlife - how, in  two days, do you climb up more than 30 trees over 25  metres in height, examine them all for signs of bat roosts / other wildlife interest, and then state with confidence they are of low wildlife interest?
Okay, sometime trees must be cut down, but we are not replacing them as fast we are destroying, and our woodland habitats are being eroded, bit by bit. And this woodland habitat is one that many people know and love so its right that there is a huge protest. We all have a duty to stand by our trees!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the issue is less with noise &#8211; we all know how noisy it is in Rivvy especially on a weekend &#8211; but the fact that 20 mature, broadleaved trees have been cut down, illegally, as opposed to the 3 which were agreed as part of the consent to the planning application. And that the trees involved as part of the development were given a cursory glance by the &#8216;ecology consultants&#8217; over a period of two days, before these same consultants decided that they would not support wildlife &#8211; how, in  two days, do you climb up more than 30 trees over 25  metres in height, examine them all for signs of bat roosts / other wildlife interest, and then state with confidence they are of low wildlife interest?<br />
Okay, sometime trees must be cut down, but we are not replacing them as fast we are destroying, and our woodland habitats are being eroded, bit by bit. And this woodland habitat is one that many people know and love so its right that there is a huge protest. We all have a duty to stand by our trees!</p>
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		<title>By: Eileen Thomasson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eileen Thomasson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 14:49:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Top Barn Isn`t open everyday,as far as  Go Ape not being noisy i suggest you look on Go Ape clips on forums.Its not just screaming and shouting,its noise from zip wires going backwards and forwards.Also there are benches near the proposed Go Ape site which were donated for people to sit and enjoy peace and quiet.Hardly the best place for activities like Go Ape.You agree its not the ideal site.All the more reason for not having it there. There are better alternatives.If there had been a consultation with the public this would have been discussed.The idea of a march is to tell people whats going on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Top Barn Isn`t open everyday,as far as  Go Ape not being noisy i suggest you look on Go Ape clips on forums.Its not just screaming and shouting,its noise from zip wires going backwards and forwards.Also there are benches near the proposed Go Ape site which were donated for people to sit and enjoy peace and quiet.Hardly the best place for activities like Go Ape.You agree its not the ideal site.All the more reason for not having it there. There are better alternatives.If there had been a consultation with the public this would have been discussed.The idea of a march is to tell people whats going on.</p>
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		<title>By: Karen Holroyd</title>
		<link>http://www.leverpark.co.uk/2008/11/not-in-rivvy/comment-page-1/#comment-124</link>
		<dc:creator>Karen Holroyd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 12:54:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: Eileen  
&quot;The noise which will be generated will make it very unpleasant to sit outside the lower barn enjoying a cup of tea on a summers day&quot;

Does this mean you actually prefer the sounds of cars, motorbikes and dogs barking as opposed to people laughing and having fun?  Ok, there may be the odd shriek of terror!  Yet it&#039;s quite scary, from my personal experience when a string of motorbikes whiz past doing the national speed limit.  

With regard to people with disabilities, I found Lever Park quite unsuitable when I was pushing my Mum in a wheelchair as the paths are too bumpy.  Even the bottom tea rooms car park made an uncomfortable ride for Mum.  The Top Barn is far more suitable for disabled users and it is an alternative place to go.  Another alternative is the tea rooms on Sheephouse Lane.  But if tarmac paths were put down then more wheelchair users could benefit.

I agree that horses and mountain bikers should still be allowed the freedom of the Park (even though I personally don&#039;t like them).  At the end of the day all people go to Lever Park to follow their own pleasure whatever that may be.  Go Ape will be for some, another pleasure.  My children want to go and I think the cost is quite reasonable compared to say, a wristband at Blackpool Pleasure Beach and I&#039;m not wealthy.

The site isn&#039;t the ideal spot, but I can&#039;t see protesting and a march on Chorley make any of the officials change their mind.  They wouldn&#039;t want to be sued by Go Ape for breach of contract.  I think the best course of action wouldn&#039;t be to antagonise Go Ape, which would turn them against &#039;the regulars&#039;, but to work with them so the public could have an advocate on board.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: Eileen<br />
&#8220;The noise which will be generated will make it very unpleasant to sit outside the lower barn enjoying a cup of tea on a summers day&#8221;</p>
<p>Does this mean you actually prefer the sounds of cars, motorbikes and dogs barking as opposed to people laughing and having fun?  Ok, there may be the odd shriek of terror!  Yet it&#8217;s quite scary, from my personal experience when a string of motorbikes whiz past doing the national speed limit.  </p>
<p>With regard to people with disabilities, I found Lever Park quite unsuitable when I was pushing my Mum in a wheelchair as the paths are too bumpy.  Even the bottom tea rooms car park made an uncomfortable ride for Mum.  The Top Barn is far more suitable for disabled users and it is an alternative place to go.  Another alternative is the tea rooms on Sheephouse Lane.  But if tarmac paths were put down then more wheelchair users could benefit.</p>
<p>I agree that horses and mountain bikers should still be allowed the freedom of the Park (even though I personally don&#8217;t like them).  At the end of the day all people go to Lever Park to follow their own pleasure whatever that may be.  Go Ape will be for some, another pleasure.  My children want to go and I think the cost is quite reasonable compared to say, a wristband at Blackpool Pleasure Beach and I&#8217;m not wealthy.</p>
<p>The site isn&#8217;t the ideal spot, but I can&#8217;t see protesting and a march on Chorley make any of the officials change their mind.  They wouldn&#8217;t want to be sued by Go Ape for breach of contract.  I think the best course of action wouldn&#8217;t be to antagonise Go Ape, which would turn them against &#8216;the regulars&#8217;, but to work with them so the public could have an advocate on board.</p>
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